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Part 3. 사회, 사건사고, 사법 교육, 보건

1. LA카운티 보안관과의 인터뷰
NBC TV Buchanan and Press Interview with MICHAEL SODERBERG, L.A. COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPT, Aug. 2 2002
Chief Soderberg, how well do you think the Amber System did work?¹ And why was there a five-hour delay before it really kicked in?² Chief, can you explain to us from a law enforcement perspective³ why you believe these girls were just minutes away from being killed? Can we ask Sheriff Sparks to explain that?⁴ Commander, can you explain why the deputies fired. Should they have been assuming that the girls might be in the car?⁵ Can you explain how many times⁶ he was shot? Can we ask one right now: why was there a five-hour delay? And, do you have a ny changes you're going to be recommending that you saw from yesterday? Had the girls said anything more about what they went through that you could talk about at this point? Sheriff, there was apparently a warrant out for Ratliff from October⁷ , I guess, of last year. Do you think there could have been something more done to get him into custody on those charges?⁸ Sheriff, about that warrant, it was 3 million in bail⁹ ? Why was the bail so high? Somebody's saying that maybe this guy might have had a disease or something, or was HIV? Do we know where he has been since that warrant was issued?¹⁰


¹ : Amber 시스템이 얼마나 잘 작동했다고 생각하나? ² : 왜 그 시스템이 완전히 망가지기까지 5시간의 지연이 있었나, kick in= die, destroy(죽다.파괴되다) ³ : 사법당국(a law enforcement)의 견지에서 볼 때 ⁴ : 스파크스 보안관에게 이 것을 설명해달라고 해도 되겠나 ⁵ : should have pp. 소녀들이 차안에 있을 수 있다는 것을 가정했어야 하느냐 ⁶ : 몇 방 (맏았나)? ⁷ : 라티프에 대한 영장이 명백히 나와 있었다. ⁸ : 그를 구속시키기 위해 뭔가 더 할 수 있을 것이라고 생각하나 ⁹ : 보석금 ¹⁰ : 영장이 발부된 뒤 그가 어디에 있었는지 우리가 알고 있나


2. 미국속의 유럽인 인터뷰
European in America, Freedom fries and raw nerves IHT Mar 22,2003
-Is it uncomfortable for a French or German person to be living now in the U.S.? -'Freedom fries' is a symbol of anti-French feeling¹ . Does that sort of thing gall you? -Have you had encounters with² Americans in which they have challenged or debated you in a belligerent way? -How much does the subject of Iraq dominate your conversations with Americans? -What about³ the anti-French jokes on late-night television,like those that allude to the American rescue of the French during World War 2? -Have you heard of⁴ any compatriots who are thinking of returning home because they feel unwelcome here?


¹ : 반프랑스 정서. 9.11뒤에 미국과 프랑스 사이가 나빠지면서 미국 정치인들이 감자튀김인 프렌치 프라이를 프리덤 프라이로 이름을 바꿔 불렀다. ² : --와 마주친 적이 있느냐? ³ : What news or opinion do you have concerning-을 어떻게 생각하느냐 ⁴ : -에 대해 들은 적이 있느냐


3. 유럽 비즈니스 스쿨 아시아 캠퍼스학장 인터뷰
Setting up a business school in Asia, Insead, one of Europe's largest and most prestigeous business schools, recently opened a new campus in Singapore. Helmut Shutte, dean of the Asia Campus. [ IHT Feb 18,2003 ]
-How does your Singapore campus differ from¹ foreign expansion projects by other universities? -How similar are the libraries? (They are identical and for the large part they both consist of electronic databases. As for books² , a courier system shifts them between the two campuses within 3 days.) -How does the Singapore campus compare in size to³ the French campus? -What does it mean⁴ to call the program "fully integrated?" -How do the student demographics differ between Singapore and France? -Does the price differ between the two campuses? -How do the two campuses differ physically? -Asian educational systems often emphasize memorization rather than critical thinking. Does this pose a problem with your teaching methods?


¹ : -와 다르다 ² : -의 경우 ³ : (주어)는 ---와 규모면에서 비교하면 어떤가 ⁴ : (를 부르는 것은) 무슨 뜻인가


4. 교육정책 인터뷰
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-What are some of the fundamental benefits that accountability¹ can offer a school? -Do these benefits vary² depending on whether a school is located in an underprivileged or an affluent district? ( First, accountability is part of a general, seismic shift in public policy toward education at the federal, state, and local levels. It grows out of increased public scrutiny and skepticism around expenditures on education and school performance. So, at some level, schools don't get to choose whether they engage in accountability. Accountability is here for all schools.) -How might a school's perspectives on accountability differ from a policymaker's views? -What can we learn from the school's perspectives³ that we might not gather from those of the policymaker? -You mention that experience in public education does not always indicate knowledge about how teachers should-and do-teach. Who can offer us practical advice about effecting positive change in what goes on in schools? -Should we say that⁴ a teacher with five years experience is unqualified to⁵ supervise or mentor other teachers just because⁶ they haven't served the requisite number of years?


¹ : (성적) 책임 ² : 이런 혜택들은 (-에 따라) 다른가/변하는가: vary (depending on whether)(--하느냐 에 따라) 변하다 ³ : from one's perspectives(views)- 의 견해에서 볼 때 ⁴ : --라고 말해야 하는가? ⁵ : 자격미달의 ⁶ : 단지 --이기 때문에


5. 흑인 미식축구선수, 짐 브라운 옥중 인터뷰
Black Athlete,Prisoner of Conscience, Jim Brown, In a jailhouse interview he sounds off about his life behind bars, the NFL and do-nothing sports stars. One of the greatest athletes in history, He tried to use his sports fame for greater puporses. Outspoken in reacial issues. He entered the jail o serve a 180 day sentence fo misdemeanor vandalism wih domesic-violence conditions. [ Sports Illustrated. Apr. 15, 2002 ]
-What did you think of¹ Spike Lee's documentary, Jim Brown? -What did you learn? -You have made a career of supporting other black athletes when they needed it,and now a few of them are coming out to support you at a press conference² on April 17. I am told Bill Russell, George Foreman and others will be there.But none of the names I've heard are of today's generation of athletes. Does this disappoint you?³ -Which athletes disappoint you the most⁴ ? -What's different about today's black athlete from⁵ those you gathered in support of Ali in '67? -What current athlete do you admire?⁶ (Compared with a Bill Russell) -What about Tiger?⁷ -But he has that foundation that brings golfing opportunities to disadvantaged kids… -When you say that to young black athletes, how do they react? -Why do you talk about black athletes,and not others, as potential leaders in the black community? -Who is the greatest leader of the black community today? -There's no Martin Luther King? (He was a misguided leader. He worked to be recognized as the leader of black America. What black America needs isn't leader,it is education.⁸ I don't see the leaders of the Jewish community; I don't see the leaders of the Korean community.) -You mentioned the Jewish and Korean communities in America. Neither of those groups is highly represented in professional sports. Do you think that's connected to the value they place on education?⁹ -That is ironic coming from you¹⁰ since you got your education because of athletics. -What's your opinion of the high school players who are going to straight to the NBA? -You mentioned that you'd love to see a young athlete call together 100 other young black athletes and try to focus on improving black America. Why don't you do it?¹¹ -Given¹² the several charges of violence that have been leveled against you in the past, do you have a problem with women? (I will only use my mentality with wisdom. I will never use my hands again.) -Where did you get that wisdom? -What is the purpose of your fasting? -How do you feel about the fact¹³ they've put you in administrative segregation and keep you in your cell 23 hours a day? -Spike Lee said he thinks the jailers realize you are so popular that inmates might rise up in support of you if you were in the general jail population. -What do you do during the day? -Have you ever considered running for political office to make changes?¹⁴ (First, I am not sure I am qualified. But the truth is that politicians are basically tied to trying to get reelected, so they can't really make landmark changes.) -Do you ever want to act again? (*He was the first black action star.) -What do you think of the NFL today? -What in your life do you most regret?¹⁵ -What are you most proud of?


¹ : -에 대해 어떻게 생각하느냐? ² : 기자회견 ³ : 그러나 요즘 선수들의 이름은 들어보지 못했다. 이 사실이 당신을 실망시키느냐? ⁴ : (누가) 가장 많이 (실망시키느냐) ⁵ : 요즘 흑인선수들은 (당신 67년에 알리를 지원하기 위해 모은 선수들과) 어떻게 다른가 ⁶ : 요즘 선수들 누구를 좋아하나(빌 러설과 비교해서) ⁷ : 타이거 우드에 대해 어떻게 생각하나 ⁸ : Jim Brown은 놀랍게도 한국인들의 교육열 같은 것이 미국 흑인사회에 필요하다고 강조한다. 즉 흑인사회에 필요한 것은 마틴 루터 킹 같은 지도자가 아니라는 것. "미국의 한국인사회가 주목받는 것은 좋은 지도자가 있기 때문이 아니라 그들의 교육열 때문이다" ⁹ : (한국인이나 유태인들이 미국 프로스포츠 세계에서 별로 큰 역할을 못하는 것은) 그들이 교육에 두는 가치와 관련이 있다고 생각하나? ¹⁰ : 그런 얘기를 당신에게 듣다니 좀 이상하다.(왜냐하면--) ¹¹ : why don't you--그렇게 해보는게 어떤가? ¹² : Given+절:--를 기정사실화 한다면,--이라고 한다면 ¹³ : how do you feel about the fact (that)-에 대해 어떻게 생각하나 ¹⁴ : 변화를 만들기 위해 출마를 생각해본 적은 없나? ¹⁵ : 인생에서 가장 후회하는 것은 무엇인가?


6. 미시간 법률전문대학원 대상 소송사건 인터뷰
CNN Lou Dobbs Tonight Mar. 2003
DOBBS: Welcome back. In just a moment, we'll be discussing affirmative action¹ and the Supreme Court case² with Terrence Pell of the Center for Individual Rights and Marvin Krislov of the University of Michigan. Three students, two lawsuits, one issue -- affirmative action. The University of Michigan is sued by students who claim they were denied admission to the school because of race. Opponents³ of affirmative action say that it discriminates against white students, proponents⁴ argue without it minority representation at public colleges and universities would plunge. Now the Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case⁵ . And Mr. Pell, do you accept that as a sufficient reason on the issue? The University of Michigan, Mr. Krislov, certainly, as you pointed out, not the only university factors⁶ race is a component of diversity in its student body ⁷. Do you have a weighting of factors such as geography, suburban, urban, student's majors and social liberal arts versus the natural sciences. How do you balance diversity? Is there a mix that you can put forward before the court⁸ ? In addition to⁹ those values that you have articulated, the reference to¹⁰ university or college will resonate throughout workplaces in this country as well. Mr. Pell, how do you respond legally, if you will, and philosophically to what Mr. Krislov has said here¹¹ ? Well, Mr. Krislov has pointed out there are issues of socioeconomic standing, and backgrounds, there are issues in terms of¹² various interests, cultural interests in addition to geographical makeup and distribution? How do you respond to that, Mr. Krislov ? The prevailing wisdom -- and we know that sometimes the concept of prevailing wisdom simply doesn't prevail -- but, Mr. Krislov, if the Supreme Court, on a close vote¹³ , as is expected, 5-4, should¹⁴ decide to turn aside Bakke and overturn¹⁵ the concept of affirmative action, what would happen at the University of Michigan Law School? Let me ask you both quickly, if I may, ask you for quick answers to this question. The fact that, 25 years after Bakke, this lawsuit is now being decided by the Supreme Court, doesn't that represent a huge, huge failure on the part of this society?¹⁶ Thank you very much, gentlemen. Mr. Krislov and Mr. Pell, thank you very much for taking the time to illuminate the issue.¹⁷


¹ : Affimative action:소수민족이나 저소득층에 특별한 할당을 주는 제도 ² : 대법원사건 ³ : opponent (of) 반대론자 ⁴ : proponent 찬성론자 ⁵ : 미국 대법원이 이 사건을 다루기로 했다.(양당사자의 주장을 듣기로 했다.*미국 대법원은 우리 대법원과 달리 위헌시비와 관련된 주요사건만 다룬다) ⁶ : factor: include a particular thing in your calculations about how long something will take, etc. .을 감안하다 ⁷ : 인종은 학생들 구성을 다양하게 만드는 요소다. ⁸ : 법정에 제출하다 ⁹ : -에 덧붙여, 외에도 ¹⁰ : --에 대한 언급 ¹¹ : Krislov가 여기서 한 얘기에 대해 어떻게 생각하나? ¹² : -과 관련해 ¹³ : 아슬아슬한 표차로 ¹⁴ : 가정법 ¹⁵ : Bekke 사건에 대한 판결을 제치고 Affirmative Action(사회적 minority를 위한 적극적 배려,예컨대 전체 입학자중 흑인 및 유색인에 대한 일부할당 정책)에 대한 관념을 뒤집다 ¹⁶ : 이는 우리 사회의 커다란 실패를 보여주는 것 아닌가? ¹⁷ : 이 문제를조명하기 위해 시간을 내주어서 고맙다.


7. Sep 11 1주기 특집 토크
NPR News Hour tonight , One Year Later, Conversation Then and Now, Sep 5, 2003
RAY SUAREZ: For more, we are joined by Frank Anderson, who worked at the CIA From 1968 to 1994, and was the chief of its Near East and South Asia Division from 1991 to 94. Former Senator David Boren was the chairman of the Select Intelligence Committee from 1987 to 1993. Robert Blitzer was the FBI's chief of domestic terrorism from 1996 to 1998. And Richard Kerr was deputy director of Central Intelligence from 1989 to 1992. Well, Richard Kerr, we heard Director Tenet talking about the secrets of 9/11 being carried in perhaps the heads of three or four people. Was this really the greatest intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor?¹ RICHARD KERR: Well, I don't know whether it would be the greatest intelligence failure, but I don't think there's any question that it was an intelligence failure. But in my perspective, intelligence doesn't operate alone- -Robert Blitzer, you heard Mr. Kerr talking about the possibility of knowing some things in advance. Was this an intelligence failure? ROBERT BLITZER: Well, to a degree I think it was an intelligence failure. And I think Dick's description of it is correct.--- These are tough things. -Well, Frank Anderson, given² what the two previous speakers just said, should we be looking at failures of individual people doing specific jobs, or systems and the institutions in which they work?³ FRANK ANDERSON: Well, a manager and a leader has to look at both of those things. There is the question: Has someone failed, or has something failed? -And where do you come down on that?⁴ -Senator Boren, given what you know of the way the community works domestically and overseas, where do you come down on whether this is a failure of intelligence?⁵ -well, Richard Kerr, you heard Mr. Anderson and Senator Boren talk about improvements made in the human capital of the intelligence community. What about Ari Fleischer's reference to lessons learned and changes made?⁶ There have been proposals, concrete and floated, about how to change the FBI, the CIA their relationship to each other and their structures. Have we moved very far in the year since September 11 on those things? RICHARD KERR: I think we've moved a fair amount of distance. - -Well, help me understand what you mean by stretching and being more intrusive.⁷ Are those just euphemisms for⁸ being ready to kill people overseas? -You're an old CIA hand, as well. Do you agree with Richard Kerr's prescription... or prediction that there's going to be more covert action and more preemptive action on the part of our overseas intelligence? -Well, I don't want the whole conversation to go to the CIA, Bob Blitzer. Let's talk a little bit more about the FBI earlier this year, there were proposals that would restructure the agency almost from top to bottom, make it more like a domestic intelligence agency. -Is that the right response at this time? -And finally, Senator Boren, how do the responsible committees of elected officials make sure⁹ that all this happens when there's promises of form, restructuring, new communications channels, when do we know it's working?¹⁰ [ CONVERSATION THEN & NOW ] JIM LEHRER: And finally tonight, another "how we've changed" conversation, and to Terence Smith.¹¹ TERENCE SMITH: Pete Hamill is often described as the quintessential New Yorker. He was born in the city, has edited two of its daily newspapers, and currently writes a column for the "New York Daily News." He's also the author of eight novels, a memoir entitled "A Drinking Life," and a number of collections and screenplays. Pete Hamill, thank you for welcoming us to your house, which is how far from the World Trade Center site?¹² -And so you were within what was called the frozen zone. -What did that mean? (It meant that you had to show photo ID, which, in my case, meant my passport, and some proof that you lived here.) And you've written that there... that the biggest sense in this immediate area of what happened and what was going on as the rescue went on was the odor. It's now a year later. Tell me how you think this city has absorbed this experience and changed. - You have talked and written about the "rise of the guy." What do you mean?¹³ - Is New York different today? -When you walk around this city, are people-- as they were in the months right after the attacks-- jittery, nervous; are they looking over their shoulder, are they worried about another attack?¹⁴ -Finally, going ahead-- what are your hopes for this city, as the city goes forward from here?


¹ : 이 프로그램은 미국 공영라디오 방송인 NPR의 News Hour tonight. 미국 대통령선거후보 토론 사회인 Jim Lehrer가 진행하는 뉴스쇼다. www.npr.org ² : -을 (기정사실로) 받아들이다면 ³ : 개인의 실패로 봐야 하느냐, 아니면 시스템이나 제도의 실패로 봐야 하느냐? ⁴ : Come down on-:punish :어디를 벌해야 하나. 어디에 책임이 있나? ⁵ : 이 것이 정보(전략)의 실패인지 어떤지 ⁶ : What about: what news or opinions do you have concerning---우리가 얻은 교훈과 그 사이에 만든 변화에 대한 Ari의 언급에 대해 어떻게 생각하나? Cf) what if= what will happen if?, what for=why, what's more= and this is more important, what's up=Any news, what's happening? ⁷ : What you mean (by-) 라는 말이 의미하는 바 ⁸ : Euphemism for-에 대한 완곡한 어법: 해외에서 사람들을 죽일 준비가 돼있다는 말의 완곡한 표현인가? ⁹ : 어떻게 -라는 것을 확실하게 알 수 있겠느냐, 확실하게 -하도록 할 수 있나 ¹⁰ : 그것이 제대로 작동한다는 것을 언제 알 수 있겠나? ¹¹ : To sb.마이크를 넘길 때 사용하는 방송용어 ¹² : 그런데 당신 집이 WTC와 얼마나 떨어져 있나요? ¹³ : (rise of guy가) 무슨 뜻이냐 ¹⁴ : 그들이 어깨 너머를 재빨리 살피고, 또다른 공격을 걱정하고 있느냐?


8. 테러조직 다룬 ' The Cell' 저자 인터뷰
John Miller of "20/20" talks about his new book, "The Cell," which is concerned with events leading up to and after September [NBC Meet the Press, August 31, 2002 Saturday]
RUSSERT: For our viewers, explain 'the cell.' What is a cell? (We saw a tape of Osama bin Laden after 9/11, suggesting that some of the hijackers didn't know they were going to meet their death. They were low-level cell members; they were told to¹ hijack the plane. They didn't know quite where it was going.) -How many of these cells are now operational around the United States? Any idea? -The extraordinary thing about your book, John, "The Cell" . (In the book) you go back to 1990, the shooting assassination of Rabbi Meir Kahane. Take us back there. What happened? Who did it? -After Kahane was shot, New York City police fanned out, looking for evidence, looking for suspects; one cop named Ed Norris, who's now the... -Tell us what the police found, and where the investigation went. -Why did they pull the informant out? -And the World Trade Center was blown up, they go back to Salem and say, 'What else do you know?'² -But they were dead serious about trying to do exactly what you described. -But here we are, 1993, 1994, and our law enforcement officials were very familiar with the name Osama bin Laden.


¹ : 비행기를 납치하라는 얘기를 듣다. ² : 그외 또 무엇을 아느냐